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Pengiwinwin · Jun 16, 2008, 04:45 PM // 16:45

im looking for a good monk protection build i have all the games and have every secondary profession. Any suggestions?
(already looked on wiki and none of them work too well)

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horseradish · Jun 16, 2008, 07:48 PM // 19:48

Full prot builds suck.

It's physically impossible to have a skill bar full of prots and be effective. Your skills just get redundant after the second or third small prot.

Hybrid bars are much better, more effective, for the simple fact that you're more effective and flexible with whatever's gonna happen.

The basic template includes 2-3 heals, big prot ([Protective Spirit] or [Spirit Bond]), 1-2 small prots ([Shield of Absorption] [Guardian]), condition & hex removal, and whatever utility.

I use this:

[Protective Spirit][Shield of Absorption][Dwayna's Kiss][Light of Deliverance][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Aegis][Glyph of Lesser Energy]

ender6 · Jun 16, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

[skill]zealous benediction[/skill][skill]reversal of fortune[/skill][skill]dismiss condition[/skill][skill]protective spirit[/skill][skill]holy veil[/skill][skill]glyph of lesser energy[/skill][skill]aegis[/skill] and:
[skill]shield of absorption[/skill] or
[skill]signet of devotion[/skill] or
[skill]shielding hands[/skill] or
a rez.

I too prefer the hybrid, but nothing wrong with a pure prot build.

The Meth · Jun 17, 2008, 02:06 AM // 02:06

horseradish has it pretty much dead on, although I prefer WoH to LoD.

mrmango · Jun 17, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Pure prot works with ZB.

Grammar · Jun 17, 2008, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmango

Pure prot works with ZB.

True, but even [zealous benediction] prot monks can benefit significantly from the addition of [gift of health]. And even then, a [word of healing] heal/prot hybrid is probably still better most of the time IMO.

If I were going to run a ZB prot monk, my bar would look like this:
[zealous benediction][reversal of fortune][gift of health][dismiss condition][remove hex][shield of absorption][protective spirit][Aegis]
If I wanted to go PURE prot (zero healing prayers skills) for some reason, I guess I'd drop [gift of health] for [Guardian].

NYC Elite · Jun 17, 2008, 03:49 AM // 03:49

The only pure prot worth running imo in PvE is: [Zealous Benediction][Prot Spirit][Aegis][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Reversal of Fortune][Dismiss Condition][Holy Veil][Shield of Absorption]... which checking now, I see has pretty much already been mentioned, in addition to it being improved by using [Gift of Health].

Otherwise, as already stated, run a hybrid. It's more efficient and has the best of both worlds:
[Light of Deliverance]/[Word of Healing][Prot Spirit][Shield of Absorption][Dwayna's Kiss][Dismiss Condition][Cure Hex][Optional][Optional] with [Aegis] and [Glyph of Lesser Energy] or (at the risk of starting a 20 page QQ fest) [Guardian] and a hard rez (depending on which stereotype you hang out with).

Age · Jun 17, 2008, 05:47 AM // 05:47

I would stick a res. in it if you plan on pugging like what ender6 posted.

Brian the Gladiator · Jun 17, 2008, 06:05 AM // 06:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by horseradish

Full prot builds suck.

It's physically impossible to have a skill bar full of prots and be effective. Your skills just get redundant after the second or third small prot.

dumb comment

Full prot bars are absolutely fine and better than hybrids a lot of the time. The prots don't get redundant at all if you know how to play a prot monk... I suggests learning to monk in gvg... you will then see how you can never really have too many prots, but of course, you don't want to sacrifice essential skills so you can have more prots necessarily.
----> You probably already do gvg seeing as your primary profession is a Rt/A so I don't understand how you can not like full prot monks... I know pve isn't GvG but the conscepts still aply.

It is easy to make a prot monk that works well as long as you keep in mind what you want to do, and think about how you are going to do it. Monks generally need these things:

1) condition removal
2) hex removal
3) Protection enchantments
4) red bar push *
5) possibly energy management
6) full pary heals *

I placed a star next to "red bar push" and "full party heals" because many times this isn't needed if the other monk or a non-monk character you are playing with has an adequate amount of these already,

So, if we are discussing a Full-prot monk, that would assume that the party heals and red bar pushers are already taken care of by the other monk and that he/she is reliable. It would be a good idea to have both [protective spirit] and [spirit bond] somewhere in the party. Generally the main healer has prot spirit because he only needs to devote 9 into protection prayers to make it last a long enough duration. The Full-prot would then bring spirit bond.
You will also want [Aegis] most likely because it is a skill that will easily shut down a bunch of damage passively, without you having to put in too much effort. You will probably want some form of E-management because you will have upwards of three 10 energy skills on your bar (depending on which elite you choose). I suggests [Glyph of Lesser Energy] (Mo/E) or [Channeling] (Mo/Me).
Now it is time for your active prots. You will want to take prots that will mitigate the types of damage you will be going up against the most effectively. If you think the majority of the damage you will be taking is going to come from casters, you will most likely find that [Shield of Absorption] and [shielding hands] are the best choice. If you will be taking damage from attacking classes, you should bring [guardian].
Next you need to pick an elite skill. There are a bunch of choices and you will probably need to test them out to see what you like best. Being a GvG player, I like [Restore condition] the best.
Then you throw in you're condition and hex removal skills and you are ready to go monking. The best choices for these are [dismiss condition] and [remove hex] in my opinion ([holy veil] for PvP). If you are bringing RC, you can drop Dismiss for another prot skill.

So, after all that exhausting work making your monk bar... mine turns out like this:

[restore condition][shielding hands][reversal of fortune][guardian][spirit bond][remove hex][glyph of lesser energy][aegis]

p.s.

Reversal of fortune is a pretty standard prot monk skill. The reason why it is used is because it is a very fast and effective way to stop damage in order to buy the healing monk time to push the red bar of the target up before he/she dies. It also is a pretty effective red bar push alone.

Age · Jun 17, 2008, 06:12 AM // 06:12

I wouldn't use channeling in pve I would even prefer bonetti's defence as that is what I use for some as full protect monk all through Factions.I would use ZB as the elite though or even SoR which is fine for pve.

horseradish · Jun 17, 2008, 06:56 PM // 18:56

@ Brian:

THIS IS THE CAMPFIRE

Sure some PvP aspects can help in PvE (weapon sets, builds, etc), but in terms of an RC monk in PvE, you're gonna need great teamwork with the other monk. Good luck finding a competent monk in PvE.

If the OP doesn't have access to intelligent players, he/she's gonna have to rely on PUG monks and Heroes.

PUG's (generally) suck, and coordinating with the other monk (or Rit...or Olias) is just too much of a hassle.

Good luck spamming RoF while the other monk is dead. Really, RoF isn't that helpful in PvE. In PvP, it saves lives, but where do you see coordinated spikes in PvE where a good Prot Spirit works better?

Once again, full prot monks suck. At least in PvE they do. They're perfectly fine in PvP with he right group. (at least the RC and SoD monks are...)

I appreciate the AoS or SB when running flags, but what good is AoS in PvE? or an SB against Glint?

Post #3 in the monk sticky has some great quotes in terms of how hybrid monks>full heal./prot. I really can't defend my position better than Avarre, Ensign, and JoeKnowMo.

Bowstring Badass · Jun 17, 2008, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by horseradish

Post #3 in the monk sticky has some great quotes in terms of how hybrid monks>full heal./prot. I really can't defend my position better than Avarre, Ensign, and JoeKnowMo.

This is because they stated everything about monks. With that said just run a hybrid.

Rathgar · Jun 17, 2008, 09:13 PM // 21:13

I vanquished Gyala Hatchery with H&H using the following heavy Prot bar and had no problems with the hench Monk & Rit buffing my saves.

[reversal of fortune][protective spirit][gift of health][restore condition][deny hexes][aegis][divine spirit][rebirth]

Was it the best build to use? Probably not. Was it fun and effective? Yes.

If you know what foes you're up against, take the right team of H&H for that area, and know who & when to prot, then you can run a prot bar fine in PvE. I've ran the standard hybrid build seen on these forums for months and wanted to try a little more proting for a change. I've been trying to use more protection skills or a full prot bar for less than a week so it's too early to tell what's best for me. However, I will say at this point it depends on the situtation and what you feel best at playing.

ender6 · Jun 17, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

No need to turn this thread in to a QQ match; he asked for a prot build, it was given (plus a couple of variations).

Certainly no problem in stating that you find hybrid more practical for PvE (which i agree with); though it is simply innane to call a full prot build terrible. After all, every prot, if used properly, can be extremely effective.

The problem, which no one has stated, is that in PvE prots can be impractical: due to heavy AoE dmg, mass enchant stripping, degen, and the need for a second (straight) heal--ZB sometimes isn't enough. With that said, if you are running a 2 monk backline 1 full prot monk can not only do wonders but is often advantageous; I mean, after all, who the hell needs 3+ heals on their collective bars?

If anything stinks IMO, it's those HB bars with 5 heals on them.

Keekles · Jun 18, 2008, 03:50 AM // 03:50

I would still very much rather run 2 hybrids over 1 full heal and one full prot, or even one hybrid with a full prot.

ender6 · Jun 18, 2008, 01:09 PM // 13:09

Indeed: as I was suggesting with the pluralization of "collective bars". No need for a full heal at all.

Age · Jun 18, 2008, 09:47 PM // 21:47

I would say life sheath isn't bad for pve it still needs some tlc.

horseradish · Jun 18, 2008, 10:43 PM // 22:43

A lot of skills need tlc.

Mr Pink57 · Jun 19, 2008, 05:23 AM // 05:23

With all the Ursan HB monks running around, I see full prot as viable as its ever been now. I run full RC prot anytime I pug because that other monk is always pinging a HB build.

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Proud Elitist · Jun 24, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17

This bar will get you pretty much anywhere with ease:

[Reversal of Fortune][Word of Healing][Dismiss Condition][Protective Spirit][Guardian][Holy Veil][Glyph of Lesser Energy][Aegis]

Some areas you might want to run with Heal Party instead for heavy pressure management but Aegis generally does the trick.